Last week, it was reported that a Houston based Landscape designer sent out an e-mail to a gay couple who were looking to get some work done on their home. The message reads as follows:
From: Garden Guy Inc
Date: October 18, 2006 9:08:36 AM CDT
To: [redacted]
Subject: Cancel Appt -Garden Guy
Dear Mr. L.,
I am appreciative of your time on the phone today and glad you contacted us.
I need to tell you that we cannot meet with you because we choose not to
work for homosexuals.
Best of luck in finding someone else to fill your landscaping needs.
Other than the fact that I found the thought that someone would refuse to work with/for someone else soley based on their sexuality to be completely deranged, I noticed that he stated he was a member of the Association of Professional Landscape Designers (APLD). Naturally I was curious as to what the official policy of the APLD was, so I sent them an email to inquire and to my squealing jumping running around in circles pie throwing delight they responded.
So based on this it becomes clear that Garden-Guy, Inc. was using it’s former status as a member to boost his “prestige.” However, it becomes obviously clear that he doesn’t.
Now I’ll wait on the follow up answers to my questions. I should receive them by monday. If anything the APLD should seek litigation in this manner for false representation. Even as Ford and Wal*Mart know there’s no point in limiting your business to only a certain group of people. If he were to deny black customers, he’d be hit with a lawsuit so quick he wouldn’t know which way was up.
Now I’m not saying that he shouldn’t have the right to refuse any customer especially if it conflicts with his religious “moral” beleifs as a private business owner. What he doesn’t have the right to do is mis-represent an organization that he USED to belong to.
Using the Internet Wayback Machine I pulled up his site from a year ago and found the claim of association to the membership. Now I’m still waiting on confirmation as to when his memership was terminated either by his own choice or by someone else so I can’t yet confirm that he’s been using this for a year or not but we can find out. His website today doesn’t have the link but I’m assuming it was taken down a short while ago after APLD took “steps” to make him representing them on his correspondence.
The owners have also updated their pages with a few biblical quotes from Ephesians and posted a link to NoGayMarriage.com.
The God-ordained institution of marriage is under attack in courts across the nation, and your help is needed.
Go to: www.nogaymarriage.com to take action.
Ephesians 5:8 (Amplified Bible)
…For once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of Light and lead the lives of those native-born to the Light.
******
“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to Himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. … For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh… each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.”
Ephesians 5:25-33
In the archived version of his site there are no biblical references.
*I’ll keep you posted when the APLD get’s back to me.
Today, an Austrailian Muslim Cleric used his position to decry women who do not wear hijabs (scarf) on their heads that, they are like “uncovered meat” inviting whatever the “cats” want to do with it.
Hilali was quoted in The Australian newspaper Thursday as saying in the sermon: “If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside … without cover, and the cats come to eat it … whose fault is it, the cats’ or the uncovered meat’s?”
“The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred,” he was quoted as saying, referring to the headdress worn by some Muslim women.
O’REILLY: So anyway, these two girls come in from the suburbs and they get bombed, and their car is towed because they’re moronic girls and, you know, they don’t have a car. So they’re standing there in the middle of the night with no car. And then they separate because they’re drunk. They separate, which you never do. All right.
Now Moore, Jennifer Moore, 18, on her way to college. She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning. She’s walking by herself on the West Side Highway, and she gets picked up by a thug. All right. Now she’s out of her mind, drunk.
And the thug takes her over to New Jersey in the cab and kills her and rapes her and does all these terrible things to her. And the thug is so stupid, he uses her cell phone, and the cops trace it back to him and they — and they arrest him and charge him with murder. He had a prostitute girlfriend with him, and she’s charged as an accessory to murder. But Jennifer Moore is in the ground. She’s dead.
Hannity agreeing and quoting Dr. Laura: “She says basically, “Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?” and that, “Women are far too promiscuous today and there has been a change in values.” Now she says “Men that’s their nature, and some take issue with it, but that’s neither here nor there.”
“In this case, what we’re talking about, basically, is priests who were having sexual relations with post-pubescent men. We’re not talking about priests with 3-year-olds, or 5-year-olds. We’re talking about a basic homosexual relationship. Which, again, according to the world view sense is a perfectly fine relationship as long as it’s consensual between people. If you view the world that way, and you say that’s fine, you would assume that you would see more of it.”
JERRY FALWELL: And I agree totally with you that the Lord has protected us so wonderfully these 225 years. And since 1812, this is the first time that we’ve been attacked on our soil and by far the worst results. And I fear, as Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, said yesterday, that this is only the beginning. And with biological warfare available to these monsters – the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats – what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact – God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.
PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that’s my feeling. I think we’ve just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven’t even begun to see what they can do to the major population.
JERRY FALWELL: The ACLU’s got to take a lot of blame for this.
PAT ROBERTSON: Well, yes.
JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I’ll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way – all of them who have tried to secularize America – I point the finger in their face and say “you helped this happen.”
PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we’re responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system.
JERRY FALWELL: Pat, did you notice yesterday the ACLU, and all the Christ-haters, People For the American Way, NOW, etc. were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress as they went out on the steps and called out on to God in prayer and sang “God Bless America” and said “let the ACLU be hanged”? In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time – calling upon God.
“After all, most 15-year-old teenage boys wouldn’t allow themselves to be molested. So why did you?” He asked. “Why didn’t you just slap the clergyman in the face?”
Matt Drudge actually refers to the children who were preyed upon by Mark Foley as “16 and 17 year old beasts“. He also says, “they (the pages) were talking about how many times they’d masturbated, how many times they’d done it with their girlfriends this weekend…all these things and these innocent children. And this poor congressman sitting there typing, oh am I going to get any, you know?”
Oh that poor Congressman, being preyed upon by those beastly 16-17 year old strong and handsome pages.
Basically it’s blame the victim. It’s what Rush Limbaugh has been doing to Michael J Fox. How can we sit and watch these religious right-wing zealots run our country? This is why people have to vote the Republican party out of the Congress.
The fundamentalist Islamic Cleric’s statements are so harsh and so screwed up I can’t even begin to describe the anger it invokes in me. Bill O’Reilly was nominated “Worst Person in the World” by Kieth Olberman for his comments. Sean Hannity and Dr. Laura also have their own issues that they think men can’t help themselves so it must be upon the women to not sin. It’s just sick. Are there Dems that do this, sure but you hear it most from the Right wing pundits and fundamentalist clergymen.
Russ, the partner in crime to Pam of Pam’s House Blend has come up with a gem to fight all of the fundie arguments for display of the 10 Commandments on public lands.
* America was founded as a “Christian” nation, because many state constitutions mention God. (But not the federal constitution – Jefferson specifically wrote “Creator” when others were calling for “God”, precisely to avoid government endorsement of specific religion.)
* “Separation of church and state” is a misnomer; the founders actually meant “no state-run churches”, but it’s okay, even encouraged, to have government-promoted Christianity. (Proved wrong by any cursory reading of Jefferson’s other works… he knew exactly what he was writing.)
* The founders themselves were Christians (Nope. Deists. Belief in God without the arrogance of believing you can define Him. Specifically, Jefferson redacted all the mumbo-jumbo superhero powers in the Bible and just left the Christ-philosophy stuff – he didn’t at all believe in the deity of Christ.)
* The decalogue is just “ceremonial deism” and in no way endorses religion. (Really? Then why does 50% of it have to do with “Thou shalt not worship any other Gods” and variations thereof?)
* The Ten Commandments are the basis of American law. (Partially – murder and perjury are crimes. But no court can force you to not honor your parents and not say “God damn it!” The true basis of American law is English common law with an Enlightenment flavor, dating all the way back to the Magna Carta. That 13th century document used to afford us the right of habeus corpus, until last week, anyway.)
* The decalogue is displayed in the Supreme Court, therefore, it should be legal to display everywhere. (Nope. The decalogue mentioned is a relief of two stone tablets with the Roman numerals I – X on them… could be Commandments, could be the Bill of Rights. But still, it is displayed along with reliefs of other lawgivers throughout history, and thereby a nod to the history of law, not an endorsement of Biblical Scripture.)
And so on, I know you’ve all heard it before. What kills me most is their rationale for wanting the display of the decalogue on every public square. They claim it is to rebond America to Christian morals and it will somehow make the kiddies grow up and sin less. Without the Ten Commandments, we’ve been overrun by the abortionists, pornstars, and homosexuals (oh, my!) and returning them will to public display will put those people back in their place (a cramped and hot, yet entertaining, closet).
Poppycock. Are they really naive enough to think posting a list of God’s Ten Rules is going to change anyone’s behavior? I post a list of rules in my classroom every day, first one being “Thou shalt not leaveth thy cell phone in a noisy mode”, and sure as shit, before the first break someone’s cell phone goes off. OK, I’m not God, so maybe my rules don’t carry as much weight.
What this is really about, folks, is government recognition of Christian supremacy over other religions. It’s okay to the fundies if people have freedom of religion. Everyone’s religion is to be treated equally… so long as Christianity is more equal than others.
Back in the day, Christian Supremacy was unquestioned. Teachers led prayers in public schools, Ten Commandments were posted everywhere, and gays/women/blacks/non-Christians knew their proper place.
But the 1960s happened and soon the gays/blacks/women/non-Christians started demanding to be treated the same as the straight white Christian males. Part of that was the realization that, despite the Establishment clause, government was doing a whole lot of promotion of Christianity. Many civil rights marches and SCOTUS decisions later, we’re starting to get America on the correct track. We haven’t quite yet fulfilled the ideal of “all men are created equal”, but it’s getting better.
So these hypoChristians, whose parents and grandparents grew up in a stratified Christians-first world, now face a world where Christianity is no more or less interesting or important than Buddhism, Kabbalah, or Scientology, a world with tits and ass and curse words all over the TV, and a world that thinks people are nutty if they believe God created everything 6,000 years ago, dinosaur bones and all.
Ironically, they support this idea that since the majority is Christian, the country should espouse Christianity. T’would be interesting if suddenly 150,000,000 Muslims moved in and they became a majority. I’ll bet that “let’s vote on displaying the Qu’ran in a park” wouldn’t be as popular an idea. The irony is that Jefferson wrote the Establishment clause not so much to protect government from the influence of religion, but to protect religion from the influence of government, and here they want to lift that veil of protection.
I do feel for the Talibanic people out there on some level. They really can’t imagine what is wrong with their viewpoint. They don’t see displaying the decalogue as an affront to those of us who don’t believe, because to them, it’s not that we have a different and valid worldview, it is that we are blind to The Truth and are to be pitied, evangelized, or ignored. They know that displaying the decalogue would be for our own good, and we should be thanking them.
Look, whatever your religion is, I’m fine with it. “It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” But the place for religion is church, not the park, not the courthouse, not the classroom.
Thank you Russ. You are a [Dare I say it?] Godsend.
HELD: Denying committed same-sex couples the financial and social benefits and privileges given to their married heterosexual counterparts bears no substantial relationship to a legitimate governmental purpose. The Court holds that under the equal protection guarantee of Article I, Paragraph 1 of the New Jersey Constitution, committed same-sex couples must be afforded on equal terms the same rights and benefits enjoyed by opposite-sex couples under the civil marriage statutes. The name to be given to the statutory scheme that provides full rights and benefits to same-sex couples, whether marriage or some other term, is a matter left to the democratic process.
In a televised debate yesterday with her opponent, incumbent Bill Nelson (D-Fl), spent half of the debate agreeing with instead of arguing her opponent. Obviosly she’s disconnected on some reality to what Democrats really stand for.
She later whines that she didn’t call him a liberal, and that the questions weren’t about the issues that she differs on. (Where’s my mini-violin?)
[Katherine] Harris said the type of questions asked by a panel of journalists during Monday’s debate failed to pinpoint the differences between the candidates running for U.S. Senate.
“They didn’t ask us tax questions — different night and day. Didn’t ask immigration questions — different night and day. Didn’t ask spending questions,” Harris said. “Different night and day.”
The candidates did have different thoughts on the future of the war in Iraq and also clashed over illegal contributions and oil drilling.
Nelson, 64, said Iraq needs a political solution because a military solution isn’t feasible. He supports a proposal to divide the country into three ethnic enclaves — a Kurdish north, Sunni center and Shiite south. But he said it would not work unless the world community got involved and Arab neighbors enforced it.
“What’s the best chance we have to stabilize Iraq? It’s that political solution, but you can’t do it alone cowboy-style,” said Nelson, who is seeking his second six-year term in the Senate.
Harris, on the other hand, twice used a Republican catchphrase that the United States can’t “cut and run.”
Harris, who is far behind Nelson in the polls and doesn’t have nearly as much money as her rival, choose to wander away from her lectern throughout the debate as she answered questions, but didn’t seriously attack Nelson.
In the past she has often referred to him as a “do-nothing liberal,” but didn’t mention that during the debate. “How could I have missed not calling him liberal?” Harris said afterward.
Is “cut and run” starting to get as annoying to anyone else as it is to me?
She also tried to defend herself and attack her opponent but then Nelson bitchslaps her with facts.
At one point, Harris, defended herself over $32,000 in illegal campaign contributions she received from a defense contractor, saying that she couldn’t have known the money was tainted.
But she said she at least made an effort to return the money. She said Nelson didn’t do the same after he took illegal contributions from Riscorp Inc. when serving as insurance commissioner in the 1990s.
Nelson, however, shot back that he did more than return the $62,800 he received from Riscorp. “Not only did I return all of that, I put the company out of business. I shut them down,” Nelson said.
After Riscorp was caught giving nearly $400,000 in illegal contributions to 27 Florida politicians, including Harris, who was a state senator at the time, Nelson forced the insurance company to refund the amount to policy holders and to pay the state back for matching campaign contributions.
I would feel sorry for her, if it wasn’t so entertainting.
Jeffrey Skilling, the CEO of Enron who cooked the books to line his pockets in the ‘financial scandal of the decade’ has been sentenceed to 24 years and 4 months. Do Not pass “Go,” Do not collect $250.
It would seem to this writer though that even though he helped ruin the lives of thousands and there’s $11 Billion missing that the sentence should fit the crime.
If someone robs a bank they’ll get 20 years to life without the possibility of parole (sometimes). The most money that’s ever stolen in a bank heist is usually somewhere in the neighborhood of $1 to $30k. Someone might die from this and a life sentence is wholly necessary.
This is not to say that no one died. There is a lot of possibility though I haven’t researched this that people committed suicide because of their complete financial ruin. Many were affected by this man and his crooked practices.
My only hope is that he has time to look back and think about what he did and be actually remorsefull for how he hurt all of his former employees.
So I’m off this morning to a place near Lancaster, PA to visit my friend Becky’s Wedding. No new stories until late Sunday. Feel free to comment and blogwhore away. This is an open thread.
Well folks, I think I’ve done some good on my site here. Or because I’m a regular blender at Pam’s House Blend my talents have been recognized. Regardless of what talents I do or do not have Pam has invited me to guest blog at her pad along side a whole list of star-studded bloggers and blenders.
My time to shine will be be Tuesday, October 24th in the AM. I only hope to do honor and service to the Blend with my work. I’ll cross post whatever I do on the Blend over here so it’s viewable in both places.
Thanks Pam, for this great opportunity!
Sad news though, Pam and Kate’s beloved dog, Tonka, has crossed over the Rainbow Bridge. While this sad news weighs heavy on her heart she will travel and remember him. Please give your condolences to Pam in the Blend.
If the Foley incident is not about pedophilia, it is also not, it seems to me, about homosexuality. It’s fundamentally about the closet. The closet is so psychologically destructive it often produces pathological behavior. When you compartmentalize your life, you sometimes act out in one compartment in ways that you would never condone in another one. Think Clinton-Lewinsky, in a heterosexual context. But closeted gay men are particularly vulnerable to this kind of thing. Your psyche is so split by decades of lies and deceptions and euphemisms that integrity and mental health suffer. No one should excuse Foley’s creepy interactions; they are inexcusable, as is the alleged cover-up (although we shouldn’t jump to conclusions yet about who knew what when). But there’s a reason gay men in homophobic institutions behave in self-destructive ways.
Or think of it another way: what do the Vatican and the RNC have in common? Here’s one potential list: entrenched homophobia, psychologically damaged closet cases, inappropriate behavior toward teens and minors … and cover-ups designed entirely to retain power. The parallels are looking a little creepy. And the source is the same.
Where I don’t agree with Sully is the part about how “closeted gay men are particularly vulnerable.” I don’t think this is entireley true. I beleive that most of us GLBT folk can live in or out of the closet if we like to. After all our personal lives are our personal lives. Foley wasn’t closeted. He was out just not publicly. He went to the gay bars and it’s well noted. Foley was however, a closet case when it came to his fellow gays and lesbians by voting against them. Though I can understand if someone forces him/herself into the closet and denies his or her own truth by trying to become an “ex-gay.” This can lead to more problems down the road. This is why I understand and partially agree with Sully. But I cannot accept that this is what led Foley to his abhorrent online behavior.
Ol’ Porno Pete responds to Sully with this:
The truth is Mark Foley, like the rest of us, is a sinner in need of a Savior. As fallen human beings, our hearts are bent toward sin. God spoke through the prophet Jeremiah: “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” (Jer. 17:9, KJV) It’s tough to own up to that truth: each of our hearts is so bent toward “wickedness” [well at least we know where his hatred comes from] (now there’s a word you don’t hear very often) that we can’t even know our own potential for self-deception!
If Foley was molested as a youth as his lawyer states, then he joins the legion of sexually victimized men and women who have gone on to perpetuate their abuse, as adults, on others. But Foley, like all people caught up in the modern cult of homosexuality, IS responsible for his behavior before God. (Besides, why would it follow that his natural “orientation” is “gay” if a major contributing cause to his current state of sexual confusion is that he was abused as a teenager?)
So, Pete why then by your logic aren’t all gay people molesting children? After all your usual claim that ‘most were molested as youth’ isn’t it? Why can’t you understand that pedophilia and pederasty are orientation blind? Yes there are sick twisted groups like NAMBLA who are organized to prey on children and demand a lowered age of consent. But that is such a small fraction of our minority. Foley is not going to ‘convert’ anymore than you are, unless the allegations about you are true. But that would also infer than you are successfully living in the closet, because we haven’t found any nasty info on you yet.
Andrew Sullivan needs to be criticized on this, but by linking his sexual orientation to abuse when he was younger is just a strawman to try to focus the blame of Foley’s actions on gay people in general. Try again petey.
Bill Donohue of the Catholic League layed out his statements today concerning Mark Foley (R-NAMBLA). In statements made by his lawyer yesterday, Foley was molested by a clergyman. Foley was Catholic when he was a child. So of course Mr. Donohue had to make a statement to defend the Catholic Church which has been rocked by it’s own pedo-scandal-o-the-year.
“As for the alleged abuse, it’s time to ask some tough questions. First, there is a huge difference between being groped and being raped, so which was it Mr. Foley? Second, why didn’t you just smack the clergyman in the face? After all, most 15-year-old teenage boys wouldn’t allow themselves to be molested. So why did you?”
Ahh yes, we forgot, it’s always the victim’s fault. Gosh oh golly gee Mr. Donohue, It’s all so clear now. Does this mean that Queen Drudge is Catholic too? Sounds like someone’s been sharing their Kool-Aid.
Jeff Gannon really has no room to talk. He goes on a short tirade on his site were he titles the post “Where’s Barney Frank” who, 16 years ago in 1989 was caught in a relationship with a male prostitute. He was repremanded by Congress and then re-elected by the people of Massachussetts. As if Jeff didn’t have his own scandal, also exposed by AmericaBlog. In February of 2005 America Blog and a few other liberal blogs had started doing some digging into his history and they exposed some exposed photos of Jeff on a few “escort” web sites with contact information. So why is he now summoning the story of Barney Frank, as if what he did was worse? At least Barney wasn’t having illicit sex with a minor, or geting paid for his “services.”
Why is the current ranking expert in U. S. House sex scandals absent from television while the Foley mess is being talked about relentlessly? One would think the gay Massachusetts Democrat would be all over the screen to offer his perspective on his own scandalous behavior and that of his former colleague, gay Democrat Gerry Studds.
But then Jeff goes further to bring up Gerry Studds who had an affair with a 16 year old male page in 1980, about 26 years ago.
Jeff, Democrats in office TODAY are not responsible for the behavior of the party 26 years ago. The three standing ovations he received later on (not at the same time) after the censure were for something else he was doing, unrelated to his deviency. Wasn’t there another Republican representative about that time who also had sex with an underaged female page? Why when citing the failings of the Democrats can’t you acknowledge this blip? Wasn’t he only censured as well?
My advice to you Jeff, keep your opinion to your self on matters you clearly have NO moral authority to comment on.
What do they all have in common? Conspiracy theory.
Both AmericaBlog (John Arivosis), and BlogActive (Mike Rogers) both of whom live in the DC area are being attacked by the crazies at WorldNet Daily and the swamps of the Free Republic and finally Sean Hannity chimes in blaming John and Rogers for holding onto emails and text messages from Foley so they could produce them as an “October surprise” to bring down the GOP.
The only problem is that they keep taking the information out of context. Read the websites for yourself. These crazy right wing-nuts are saying all kinds of things to push blame onto other people instead of themselves. The Christian fundies have been sounding the gay=pedophile alarm louder than ever. Matt Drudge blames the pages and Sean Hannity blames gay activists.
The Grand Ol’ Pervs are grasping for staws and failing. Hopefully this story will stay alive for a few more days. If it does, I can be certain that Hastert will resign and a few others might be forced to as well. Add to that any Democrats that knew anything about this. It’s sick and wrong and if they were protecting him then it needs to be brought to light and the people involved need to be punished.
If any news outlet has held onto this for a while they need to be scruitinized as well. This goes for the MSM and the blogosphere. I’ve been reading BlogActive and AmericaBlog for a long time. And I have never gotten the impression that they were withholding information from anyone. Whenever they find information it’s immediately passed on.
Hopefully the information will be found out and those responsible will leave office.
Sunday on the his syndicated radio show Matt Drudge blamed the pages for Mark Foley’s pedophilia.
This is the typical Republican reaction of blame everyone else.
“You just have to tune into any part of their pop culture. You’re not going to tell me these are innocent babies. Have you read the transcripts that ABC posted going into the weekend of these instant messages, back and forth? The kids are egging the Congressman on! The kids are trying to get this out of him.”
“Mark Foley’s shameful actions were reprehensible. He abused the power of his office, violated the trust of the voters, and exploited young people.
“There should be a thorough criminal investigation by appropriate law enforcement agencies. If Mark Foley broke the law, he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
“Additionally, there should be a full investigation to see if Congressional leaders responded appropriately to Foley’s behavior. This unfortunate and inappropriate situation shouldn’t be unduly politicized.
“Preying on young people is shameful, immoral, unethical and illegal, regardless of sexual orientation.”